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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Jun 5, 2006 10:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing

for cousinkix1953 and others

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 5, 2006 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing

As someone who is on record on this site as not giving much credence to the Vince years, I must say that the passing of a "family" member is always heartbreaking. I am appalled at the alleged treatment that he recieved from various members of the band. I wish I could say that I expected more from them, but that ship has sailed. Bob, the Drummers and, yes, even Phil ( who seems to get a lot more slack from Deadheads ) ought to be ashamed of themselves. Whether you liked his contributions to the sound or not, Vince was and always will be an integral part of the GD legacy. I have boycotted all GDM products and have refrained from attending any Ratdog or PL&F shows since the SBD debacle of 11/05 and this treatment of a former colleague of theirs only serves to re-enforce my resolve to never spend any of my hard earned money on these callous people. Vince's passing is a sad occasion for me and all Deadheads. RIP

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Jun 5, 2006 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing

maybe boycott all the music that the surviving members are playing too? past and present?
I don't think Vince's relationship with Bobby was as simplistic or abusive as rumored/alleged. Takes two to dance.
Wonder what Bob's side to the story of their falling out in 1995 is?
Vince dies(and i hope it was not suicide, which is a cop out) and the bitterness begins.
Rest in PEACE, Vince! And God bless the rest

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 5, 2006 12:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, re: boycot

I also hope that Vince did not commit suicide, not because it is a copout, as you so crassly put it, but that it would just indicate how deep his pain and sorrow actually was.
I do boycott all their music, past and present. I haven't bought any GD related music or merch since last Thanksgiving. Prior to that I spent literally tens of thousands of dollars over 30 odd (And they were quite years, purchasing most of what was offered commercially and for the live experience, however, I will not send any more money their way.
I also refuse to feel hypocritical or guilty about my live collection for 2 reasons:
1) I took Jerry at his word when he said that after they played it the music belonged to us
2) Because until all of the ugliness of the last half year or so, (including Bob's "See Ya" comments, the general dismissiveness of Deadheads in their comments after the pulling of the SBDs, and the reports {which I do believe} about the treatment of Vince) I did spend a significant portion of my income loyally supporting the Grateful Dead and all related projects.
Respect should be a 2-way street as well, and I have not seen GDM or most of those associated with them (with the exception of the Barlowe) showing appreciation for what were the most loyal fans in music.


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Poster: Spaced Date: Jun 14, 2006 4:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing

Regrets to Vince's family. We come from God, and to God we'll return.

It _is_ important to know that the Dead, hopefully not forever lacking the grateful part, play for ClearChannel. According to the SF Chron, ClearChannel paid people to attend a Sacramento rally backing the war -- and only 3000 showed up to counter large-scale war protests in SF.

I also find it odd the claims that Weir and M. Hart joined the Bohemian Club. It would be great if you could change things from the inside, but those guys built the house of cards. They disgracefully benefit from extreme lies and war profiteering.

It's not at all clear we're on our own, it's blues for Allah, insh'allah (God willing).